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    Freeview Freesat TV Freesatfromsky Sky TV UKTV in Spain

    Sky TV In Spain. Freeview in Spain. Freesat TV In Spain. Freesatfromsky in Spain. Sky UK TV Satellite Systems for Costa Blanca In Spain
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    Sections
    1. The Various systems
    Freeview
    TDT
    Freesat
    Freesatfromsky
    Sky
    Sky+
    SkyHD
    Generic
    D+
    BBC Prime
    MBC / Dubai One / Fox Movies / Arabic
    2. Channels
    104 Channel Unavailable Messsage on Sky receivers.
    Whats On A Sky Freetoview Card
    Five Going Free Updates
    EU TV without Frontiers
    3. Dishes
    Big Dishes
    Dish Sizes
    What Can You Get On an 80cm Dish
    Community Installs
    4. Rebroadcasting
    How to spot a rebroadcaster
    5. Advantages of Satellite
    Interactive News and Sport
    6. Default Transponder Settings for Spain
    Resetting your Sky Receiver after powercut
    Additional Channels
    7. Auto Standby
    8. Recommended Installers On This Forum
    9. Sky Programme Guide (EPG)
    10. Change Log


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    Section 1 The Various systems
    FREEVIEW


    "Freeview" is the brand name of a UK Digital TV service ONLY AVAILABLE IN THE UK. it is available via tv aerials on the houses, and is only transmitted from TV transmitters in the UK. you will need either a Freeview "set top box" or a TV with Freeview built in.
    Freeview is not available in Spain.

    Freeview channels are
    http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/terrestrial/epg/
    or
    http://www.freeview.co.uk/home

    There are channels on Freeview that you have to pay for on Sky - like Dave, UK History.

    TDT

    Spain has its own version of "Freeview" called Television Digital Terrestrial (TDT). Approx 30digital spanish tv channels via a TV aerial...many chnnels / programmes you can change the programmes into their original audio...not always english as a few German programmes have cropped up...you will need a TDT "set top box" or a TV with TDT built in.

    Your exisiting tv aerial may be ok for this but it may need to be reconfigured, and you may also require some signal amplifiers. You can use a UK freeview set top box to get TDT, but there are some limitations - language change options may be limited to english, welsh and gaelic, TDT uses frequency 69, UK freeview set top boxes ma not be able to scan this frequency.

    see http://www.tdt.es for more information and a signal / postcode check
    see http://www.tdt1.com for more information

    FREESAT

    Freesat, a satellite version of Freeview, was launched in May 2008. Using an official Freesat receiver, you can watch the about 100 free satellite TV channels.
    All BBC channels, ITV1,2,3,4, C4, E4, More4, Film4 and FIVE are all free to watch on satellite.

    BBC1HD, BBC HD, ITV1HD, Channel 4HD are all available to watch for free on Freesat HD TV in Spain.

    Official "Freesat" receivers currently only have about 100 TV channels on their EPG at the moment - but on some Freesat receivers you can manually add other channels not on the EPG using a "non-freesat mode".
    They can only receive "free to air" channels. Freesat receivers will have the Freesat logo on them.
    Freesat Channel List

    Freesat Channel Guide

    Freesat boxes have two modes
    In Freesat mode the Freesat channels are in the Freesat EPG - the ones that have been officailly added to the EPG and where new channels are updated automatically.

    In nonfreesatmode you can manually add other free channels into an other channel list - the nonfreesatmode channels list- by manually scanning the individual frequencies.
    To scan for channels, go to the menu and select Setup > Manual Tune.
    To switch back to Freesat mode after playing with the other channels, go to: Menu > STB Mode > Freesat

    It's handy being able to switch between Freesat and Non-Freesat channels, for situations where a channel is not yet part of Freesat, or is a Freesat-only channel. Note that when scanning for non-Freesat channels, the numbering sequence will be a bit odd, and also they can't be accessed via the Freesat Electronic Programme Guide.

    Receivers
    There are
    basic Freesat receivers - Grundigs, Bush and Humax have had good CB reports
    HD Freesat receivers - the best being the Humax Foxsat Freesat HD receiver
    Freesat+ - Humax Foxsat HDR+ with inbuilt hard disk, that allows you, with two cable feeds, to watch one channel and record another at the same time.

    Most come with a HDMI cable so that you can connect it directly to your HD TV - as long as it has a HDMI connection - and start watching HD TV straight away. (see http://www.bbc.co.uk/hd and http://www.itv.com/hd)


    FREESATFROMSKY

    Freesatfromsky uses official Sky receivers and allows the viewing of many more free channels than Freesat.

    As at December 2011 a "freesatfromsky" viewing card will aalow you to watch:
    Irish versions of Channel 4 - on frequency 12480
    Five HD
    Pick TV
    Pick TV+1
    Sony TV
    Sony TV+1
    Liverpool FC TV
    Motors TV
    Viva TV


    The "Freesatfromsky" viewing cards are available in the UK for £25 (and some dealers may still be supplying them), and are subject to the same terms and conditions as a Sky subscription contract - including the "must not be used outside the uk". Your viewing card can be disabled if Sky find out that you are using it outside the UK but if they dont know you are using one here in spain.....

    Freesat From Sky Channel List
    Freesatfromsky Channel Guide

    Until December 2011, Freesatfromsky cards had to be used to receive Five USA, and Five*.

    These viewing cards are also known, incorrectly, as "freeview cards" or "freesat cards".


    SKY

    If you have a Sky receiver and want to pay monthly used for Free to air, free to view and subscription channels...Again the viewing cards are subject to the same terms and conditions as a Sky subscription contract - including the "must not be used outside the uk". your viewing card can be disabled if Sky find out that you are using it outside the UK but if they dont know you are using one here in spain.....

    Sky Channel List
    Sky Channel Guide

    The best Sky receivers for Spain is the Pace 2600, followed by the Pace 430N. These ceased production about 5 years ago, and can only be bought as "reconditioned" units - or from Ebay.

    The best of the latests batch of Sky receivers is the Thomson, followed by the Amstrad. Avoid the Pace 440 and 445 - i have found these to be very poor performers.

    Although these standard receivers are no longer in producation. So you will only be able to find them in the second hand or refurbished markets.

    SKY+

    Skys award winning PVR. Pause Live TV, recording with no tapes, watch one channel whilst recording another channel, series linking.

    Available with ANY sky TV subscription package (from £20per month), or with no Sky TV subscription package for £10 per month - for the extra 7 quid best get atleast 1 sky mix!

    SKY HD

    A Sky HD receiver will incorportate all the recording functoins of the Sky+, but with the added ability to watch HD channels.

    BBC1HD, BBC HD, ITV1 HD, C4 HD and Five HD are available to watch without any subscription.
    For the other Sky HD channels, you will need to pay an extra £10 per month for Skys HD Channels.

    More Information on Sky HD

    GENERIC

    Note that many installers are using generic receivers (sometimes called Free To Air receivers) and calling them freesat or freeview receivers which may be confusing people. official freesat and sky receivers have a full 7 day programme guide...generic FTA receivers only have now and next programme infomation.

    Generic FTA receivers will get all channels in the link Freesatfromsky Channel Guide

    Generic receiver will need to be manually rescanned when channels change their audio or video settings - like ITV have done with some of their channels (on 071008) leaving some users without ITV.

    Some generic receivers can also be modified with software to read Sky cards.

    Digital+

    D+ is the Spanish satellite service. It is broadcast from two satellites - Astra 19E and Hispasat 30W.
    There is a variety of channels, from entertainment, movies and Sports. Many channels and programmes on the UK Sky system are also available on D+, and in most cases the language of the programmes can be changed into English.
    D+ can be received on a small satellite dish, approx 80cm. YOu will need an official D+ viewing card to watch these channels. Some, not all, TDT channels are also on D+.
    http://www.plus.es

    BBC Prime / BBC Entertainment
    BBC Prime / BBC Entertainment is a BBC pay channels for expats. It does not show movies or sport, but just homegrown programmes. It does show eastenders, and a variety of BBC and C4 programmes.
    The standalone version of BBC Prime that was on Hotbird will, by March 2009, only be availble on Eurobird at 9 degrees east - so you may need your dish realigning.
    You will need an official BBC Prime subscription card available from http://www.bbcprime.com.
    BBC Prime is also available as part of some subscription packages.
    Some generic receivers have been able to access BBC Prime by software that removes the encryption. It now appears that BBC Prime has moved to version Viaccess 2.6. Therefore for those who were watching BBC Prime without paying for it, your screen will have gone blank.

    MBC / Dubai One / Fox Movies / Arabic
    Or you could always point a dish to badr / Arabsat at 26 degrees and look at the MBC 2,4,Action channels,the Fox Movie Channel, the Fox Series channel and Dubai One.
    These channels show various movies dramas and action series such as
    Once upon a time in mexico, One Hour Photo ,The Rookie ,TRAINING DAY ,Taxi, Ghost Whisperer , Smallville , Grey's Anatomy , Hustle, Knight Rider, and older series of TOP GEAR!!!
    The channels and prgrammes are all mainly in english but with arabic subtitles.
    i have link on my site (MBC2 Arabsat Nilesat Programme Guide) pointing to the programme guides for these channels.
    All these channels are currently free to air, requiring a generic digital satellite receiver and at least an 80cm dish (i am not too sure how an 80cm will perform on these channels in your area tho...but fine in my area on an 80cm!)

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    Section 2 Channels

    The main BBC, ITV and C4 channels are free and do not require any Sky card or form of subscription (note some ITV regions do require a freesatfromsky or sky card) to view these channels.


    All channels on Freesat (apart from ITV HD) are available on a sky receiver, and were also available for free before the launch of freesat using a sky or generic reciever.

    EU Television Without Frontiers
    In 1989 the EU created the TVwF, as directive as to how it would like to see TV reception between member states. Various ammendments have subsequenly deemed the original proposals as unworkable (especially with PAY TV operations) but the directive is still alive and well and in use to level the playing field with broadcasters with rules on advertising, racial content, violence and protection of minors.

    One area that people quote me on is

    Article 2a
    1. Member States shall ensure freedom of reception and shall not restrict retransmissions on their territory of television broadcasts from other Member States for reasons which fall within the fields coordinated by this Directive.

    and i refer them to

    Article 7
    Member States shall ensure that broadcasters under their jurisdiction do not broadcast cinematographic works outside periods agreed with the rights holders.

    Its all about copyright holders and the contracts signed between broadcasters and programme makers. So for example Sky cannot sign a deal with D+ in Spain to show Sky Sports without consulting all of the providers of their sport programmes (almost all are from third party programme makers) or the Governing bodies (like the FA), as these providers may have already signed deals with broadcasters in Spain who may object to the programmes they have paid for to be made available on another service (like TVE and the FA for Premier League TV rights)

    The Freedom of Information Act (Various EU Directives) is covered by channels like BBC World News, the BBC World Service and Sky News - the UK Foreign Office partially fund the World Service and BBC World! These allow UK expats access to UK news and events and covers the requirements of the FoI - it does not mean you should be allowed to receiver all the national channels!! Similarly all other European countries have at least one channels in theoir own lanaguage that offers similar services. For example TVEi is the international version of TVE for Spain which is available for free on various satellites.

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    Section 3 Dishes

    UK TV chanels are mainly broadcast from the Astra 2A Astra 2B Astra 2D, Astra 1N and Eurobird 1 satellites located at 28.2 to 28.5 degrees east of south. There are other Astra satellites around also - whoch tend to do more european channels (Spain D+ is on astras at 19.2). Many channels are available with a small 80cm dish, but to get the BBC and ITV and C4's, which areon the weaker Astra 2D satellite you will require a "big dish".

    Note that reception of channels depends on your location and dish size. As a rough guide:
    80cm will get you some channels - approx 50% of whats available
    1.4m will get more channels (includng bbc1 and itv1,2,3,4)
    1.8/2.4 will get even more channels (including bbc2 and c4)
    not all channels will be available all day.

    BIG DISHES

    There are two companies, both from Portugal, which produce what are regarded as the best quality and performing (for their price) satellite dishes for the Costa Blanca. Personally I have found that there is very little difference in the performance of both the Portuguese made 1.8m dishes (dispite the properganda!)

    Famaval also produce a 2.4m prime focus dishes which is identifiable with the holes around the rim of the dish, allowing extention panels to be added if required, to make the dish a 3.1m! For whatever reason I have found this Famaval 2.4m dish not to be as prone to rusting as the Famaval 1,8m counterpart!

    Other 1.8 and 2.4m prime focus dishes are available and can be cheaper, like the Fortecstar Petal Dishes. Myself and some other installers do not recommend these "petal" dishes, as we have found them not to perform as good as their equivilent Famaval dishes. I have found that dishes made in Turkey generally perform poorer than those made in Portugal. They are made from spun steel, and can be identified by the "spin circles" on the back of the dish. Some models of big dishes area actually two parts welded together - you can sometimes see the join along the dish! Some other makes of dish, like Channel Masters, do perform much better than the Portuguese dishes, and their cost reflects this (around 2000euros).

    For reference Famaval dish sizes are

    1.4 prime focus
    Outside diameter: 1440mm x 1440mm
    Relector diameter: 1330mm x 1330mm

    1.8 prime focus
    Outside diameter: 1940mm x 1940mm
    Relector diameter: 1790mm x 1790mm

    2.4 prime focus
    Outside diameter: 2470mm x 2470mm
    Relector diameter: 2290mm x 2290mm

    The 1.8m dish is sometimes incorrectly refered to as a 1.9m dish. As you can see from the measuements above, the reflector on a Portuguese Famaval satellite dish is actually 1.8m. Dealers use 1.9m as it sounds like you are getting more dish for your money!

    What channels can i get on an 80cm dish?

    A question many have asked, so here goes...

    (I am using links as these will be more accurate and complete than posting all the 100's of channels here..)

    using this link for free tv channels
    http://www.flysat.com/tv-uk.php

    and this link for the Sky pay channels (use the beam column)
    http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/skyuk.html

    on an 80 cm dish you should be able to pick up most of the channels on eurobird 1
    on an 80 cm dish you should be able to pick up most of the channels on astra 2a and Astra 2B south beam
    on an 80 cm dish you may not be able to pick up the channels on astra 2a and Astra 2b north beam
    on an 80 cm dish you should be able to pick up most of the channels on astra 1N
    on an 80 cm dish you will not be able to pick up of the channels on astra 2d

    Community Installs

    It is possible for one dish to serve a number of receivers at different houses. If less than 4 connections are required then a 4 output LNB should be OK, with a cable from the dish to each location. If more than 4 connections are required, then the system will require a special signal distribution unit - called multiswitches. These multiswicthes are strategically placed around the community to serve, and individual connections are made from these points. I persoannly run new cable in these systems, as you cannot rely on the condition of the exisitng cable.

    Ideally, the community will pay for the infrastructure required (dish, LNB, cables from LNB to multiswicthes, multiswicthes and amplifiers) and individuals will pay for the conenction from the multiswitch to their house, and any receivers they require.

    Permission must be sought for dishes to be installed on community areas, including appartment blocks. In privately owned houses, dish rules are fairly relaxed, but generally make sure it is installed in an area that wont upset your neighbours. You may also be required to ask your local town hall for permission to install a big dish.

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    Section 4 Rebroadcasting

    Under the Rome Convention broadcasters have the right to authorize or prohibit the re-broadcasting of their broadcasts. "Re-broadcasting" is defined under the Rome Convention as the simultaneous broadcasting by one broadcasting organization of the broadcast of another broadcast organization. Broadcasters also have the right to authorize or prohibit the fixation of their broadcasts; the reproduction of unauthorized original fixations of their broadcasts; the reproduction for purposes other than those authorized fixations of their broadcasts.

    Basically it says you need authorisation from the "Broadcasting organisations" like BBC and ITV to rebroadcast their transmission in the EU.

    You may be using a rebroadcaster if your TV company:
    is offering bbc and itv on a small dish or mesh aerial - these channels can only be legitimatly received for free via a minimun of 1.4mdish (some areas 1.8m)

    offers bbc and itv for a monthly subscription - bbc and itv are free on satellite and do not need a subscription

    offers "freesat" with only 20 or 64 channels - by satellite you will recieve over 100 free tv channels, not 20 or 64. the bbc have over 15 regional variations on satellite alone.

    offers sky sports for less than £36 per month or setanta sports for less than £14 per month - the costs of legitimate subscriptions to these channels.

    offers channels from other countries - channels like Showtime Sports for example.

    saysthey get BBC and ITV from a satellite other than Astra 2, like Hotbird - bbc and itv are only broadcast on one "satellite constellation (those satellites at 28.3 to 28.5 degrees)

    as these companies will more than likely be a rebroadcasting services whos signal may be terminated just like Telemicro.

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    Section 5 Advantages of Satellite

    with a sky or freesat receiver you can get bbc interactive, sky active and a full 7 day programme guide. you may need a big dish, you may pay more for the installation, but at least the signal is pretty much gaurenteed as it it direct from the satellite and is not reliant on a third party.

    pure digital broadcasting (with some channels in full Dolby Digital sound), not reliant on second or third or fourth generation signals as the signals gets past from one rebroadcast transmitter to another. many ex rebroadcasting clients have commented on how good the signal direct fromt he satellite is compared to that of a rebroadcasted signal.

    and if you are in doubt as to whether or not it is OK to view free satellite tv channels (like BBC and ITV) in Spain via satellite see
    http://www.freesat.co.uk/index.php?page ... on&id=1667
    which says that "it may be possible outside the UK to use a satellite receiver to pick up channels available on freesat" - nothing about it being illegal - the technical term is "satellite signal overspill".

    A final thought on this: if it was illegal to watch TV channels that were broadcsted for free, then all shops selling free to air receivers would be in trouble, as would Canal Digital + (the spanish satellite service) as their receivers can also pick up free tv satellite channels from other countries.

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    Section 6 Default Transponder Settings for Spain
    or
    Resetting your Sky Receiver after powercut


    When a Sky receiver is first booted up, like after a power cut, then the first thing it requires to function is at least 6 hours of EPG information. It looks for this data on the Default transponder frequency of 11778.
    this frequency can be poor in Spain, and therefore the receiver will ont be able to find the information is required and therefore will not work - giving the message "No satellite Signal is Being Received".
    Changing the default transponder to another frequency (i use 12129) allow the receiver to get the information it requires to function.

    What to do if you are getting the message "No Satellite signal is being received".

    1.This usually means that your Digibox is blocked and you are unable to receive the signals it requires. This usually occurs after power cuts or other interruptions to the Digibox power supply.
    2.Remove the power cable from the Digibox only. This can be found on the back of the Digibox, and is normally a black cable on either the extreme left or right of the Digibox. Reinsert the power cable after 30 seconds.
    3.Turn on the Digibox.
    4.On the Sky remote control press the SERVICES button
    5.On the Sky remote control press 401 (four zero one) and then the SELECT button.
    6.If the above has been done correctly you should see the Installer Setup Menu screen. If you do not see the Installer Setup Menu screen then start this process again.
    7.Press "2" on your Sky remote control.
    8.If done correctly should be looking at the Default Transponder screen.
    9.On the Sky remote control press 12129 (one two one two nine). This will change the default FREQUENCY to 12.129.

    Default Transponder Frequency Changes : If you use 12129 as the Default Transponder Frequency setting, then on the 31st May 2012, this frequency was not carrying any channels, and no longer helped in booting a Sky box up. You can use an alternate Frequency code of 12207 v 27.5 2/3

    10.Ensure that the default POLARIZATION is "V"
    Ensure that the default SYMBOL RATE is "7.5"
    Ensure that the default FEC is "/3"
    11.On the Sky remote control press the DOWN ARROW button three times and then press SELECT. This will SAVE NEW SETTINGS and return you to the Installer Setup Menu screen.
    12.On the Sky remote control press the BACK UP button until you exit all the menus.
    If done correctly the time will appear on the white bar, and picture will shortly reappear try channel 501 (Sky News).

    for a downloadable PDF of the Default Transponder process, or watch a video of the process in operation see
    NO SATELLITE SIGNAL BEING RECEIVED / HOW TO CHANGE THE DEFAULT TRANSPONDER FREQUENCY SETTINGS FOR SPAIN ON A SKY BOX

    watch a video of the process in operation see
    NO SATELLITE SIGNAL BEING RECEIVED / HOW TO CHANGE THE DEFAULT TRANSPONDER FREQUENCY SETTINGS FOR SPAIN ON A SKY HD BOX

    No matter what people tell you changing this default transponder does not increase how long channels are available. It is only used to "assist" the receiver to boot up. It is normal for the Default Transponder to revert back to 11778 once the receiver is functioning.

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    and as a bonus check out
    Extra / Alternative Channels For Sky Receivers
    which will keep you informed with those "secret" channels that will get ITV C4 C4+1 E4 E4+1 longer that some installers have been charging to input onto your systems.....

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    Section 7 Auto Standby

    Sky has been deploying new receiver software, and incorportaed in to this is a new feture designed to help save energy when the SKy receiver is not being used.

    If the box hasn't been used for a period of two hours after 11pm, or for four hours during the day time, an �Auto Standby' message will pop up on screen for three minutes. If there's no further use the box will go into Standby mode automatically, until the user turns it back on.

    This can be an issue if you are using a VCR to receord things from the Sky receivers as when the reciver goes into Autostanby mode you will record a blank (or blue!) screen if the box has shut down....

    You can turn it off by using the option in Services (Sky+ Setup for + and HD users!)

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    Section 9 Sky Programem Guide (EPG)
    Skys Electronic Programme Guide is used on SKy receivers. Although all the frequencies used by Sky transmit limited EPG information, the main EPG data is transmitted on one freqency - 11778. You may notice that this frequency is also the main Default Transponder - and the same frequency that is measured in the Sky receivers Signal Test screen. This frequencys reception varies greatly during the day and may not be available 24/7 - especially during the afternoon, and also certain Sky receivers really do not like this frequency. Hence why you may only get a limited (6 hours or so, EPG information in the EPG.

    The Freesat EPG is transmitted from a different frequency to Sky (in fact it is on a different satellite!), whose reception is widely available over Europe - hence why you do not have to change the Freesat eciver "default transponder". It was the fact that the Freesats EPG would be easily available over Europe on a small dish that lead many, including installers, into thinking that all channels on Freesat would be available all over Europe in a small dish. Where as in fact both Sky and Fresat EPGs point to the same frequencies for the channels they use (apart from FIVE!)

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    Section 10 Change Log
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    Change Log
    28/09/08 - thread created
    29/09/08 - added Nonfreesat mode (cheers EBT!), D+, Community Installs, Freesat Comments
    01/10/08 - Freesat C4+1, Freesat Price Comparison link, Sky HD
    04/10/08 - Famaval dish sizes, Five
    06/10/08 - Section labels and headings, UKTV Name changes, highlight
    07/10/08 - EU TVwF
    08/10/08 - a bit of a tidy up of a few sections, HD links,
    09/10/08 - added stepbystep guide for default transponder setting for spain
    10/10/08 - added BBC Prime, nonfreesatmode
    12/10/08 - EBT details added, HD update
    23/10/08 - FoI, Freesat HD + details
    29/10/08 - 104 Channel Unavailable trick
    03/11/08 - FIVE test frequency
    20/11/08 - FIVE on FREESAT, FREESAT+ launch date
    24/11/08 - TVtech added
    07/12/08 - Freesat tidyup
    11/12/08 - MBC added
    24/01/09 - EBT removed, Autostandby
    28/02/09 - Clean Up, EPGS added.
    08/12/11 - cleanup and new details updated and added
    ************************************************** *****

    this is not intended to be a "debate" thread, but more a collection of information that many on this and other forums have asked multiple times and can be used as a single point of information.
    I am happy for people to copy and paste it to other forums, but please credit where credit is due....
    If you think that you have some information that i have missed them PM me and I'll see if it is worth of being added.

    I hope this helps...
    Last edited by satandpcguy; 31st May 2012 at 07:19 PM.
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